I've read Brock Talon's books about working there. They're very entertaining though I wondered why he stayed so long.
When you go on the tours, where do they take you? To where they publish the books and magazines?
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What Is the JW Belief Regarding the Millennium?
by Cold Steel inmost christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace.
jws, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on paradise earth.
but do they believe in the millennium the way other christians do -- where the lion will lay down with the lamb [bzzzt...mandela effect correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?
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So why are you here? On an ex-JW site. Are you trying to recruit vulnerable people who have just esaped the JW cult?
Oh, yeah, that would work! I first came here years ago for more information because of family members who joined the JWs and then cut off all contact. They went from being very friendly to being aloof. Then they began sending magazines to my mother on what happens when one dies. She thought being food for the worms was terrifying, so that's why I came here. I found the topics here were interesting, so I stayed. If you do a search for the topics I've started, I've never dragged my religion into it. I only reply to people who bring it up. So far, Cofty's my best recruit.
He'd probably make a good Mormon once we taught him some manners and how to read.
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Finland Knife attack: 2 dead, one of them a Jehovah's Witness
by ILoveTTATT2 intwo people dead and 7 injured in what is apparently a terrorist attack in finland.
one of the deceased was a jehovah´s witness woman who was preaching in the square.. where was jehovah protecting her?
especially considering she was preaching?https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finnish-police-stabbing-investigated-as-possible-terrorism/2017/08/19/187a034e-84b8-11e7-9e7a-20fa8d7a0db6_story.html?utm_term=.f596f9250d70.
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Actually I was speaking a bit tongue-in-cheek. My wife told me about the report and though the media reported on the shooting, the part about the guy pointing his gun at the shooter and the gunman then taking his own life was reported by a National Rifle Association spokesman.
But here's a site with similar stories.
The existence of guns in our society isn't what causes gun deaths -- it's recidivism and the inability of the justice system to deal with criminal violence. The U.S. is also still largely wilderness. You go into national parks where you can go for miles without passing another person, plus we have large, nasty predators.
With so much land and so little law enforcement, we need guns. And many of our violent offenders are already living in metropolitan areas with heavy gun control. And in the vast majority of cases, when by gun control is loosened, crime goes down and where it is tightened it tends to go up!
I'm glad we have our guns here, though in countries where there are plenty of cops and a better criminal justice system, you probably don't need them as much.
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What Is the JW Belief Regarding the Millennium?
by Cold Steel inmost christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace.
jws, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on paradise earth.
but do they believe in the millennium the way other christians do -- where the lion will lay down with the lamb [bzzzt...mandela effect correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?
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Yes, Coftey, and how would you know it's been thoroughly debunked? I've been LDS for 45 years and have friends who are highly active in the ex-Mormon community. Unlike you, I've studied both sides extensively and have yet to see the proverbial nail in the coffin. To the contrary I've seen considerable evidence supporting it.
When you have a book like the Qur'an, you can judge it only by the standard of one man (610 A.D.) telling one story with no witnesses other than himself. We can't even judge it that way because the Qur'an was not compiled until substantial time after the fact. If it was changed, we don't know. If it was added to we don't know. We can't even compare it to other writings of its time and determine anything because it would tell us nothing.
But we do have numerous writings from 600 B.C. we can use as comparative texts. And we have a far better understanding of historical context than we had even a hundred years ago.
The Jehovah's Witnesses, on the other hand, have a clear history. No one wonders what they were thinking and teaching because we know.
As historical documents go, it should be child's play to take a purported document from 600 B.C. and prove without doubt that it's a hoax or forgery, especially with books from the Dead Sea Scrolls and other discoveries.
You can, of course, make whatever conclusions you wish, and if you wish to make those conclusions based on gross ignorance, then you should really give the critics of evolution a break rather than criticize them. (At least until it's been conclusively proven.)
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What Is the JW Belief Regarding the Millennium?
by Cold Steel inmost christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace.
jws, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on paradise earth.
but do they believe in the millennium the way other christians do -- where the lion will lay down with the lamb [bzzzt...mandela effect correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?
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Simon, who said I'm promoting cults?
I don't mind people attacking cults like Mormonism and first century Christianity, but should people be allowed to mindlessly attack other people's religions and the person not be permitted to respond? If someone wanted to defend being a Jehovah's Witness, are you saying he would be deleted? If so, this would be a new policy because I've been here many years and read the terms of service. I've never seen a JW called out for defending one's beliefs. Or does the policy apply only to those who can intellectually defend their beliefs?
We live in a new era where it's now okay to tear down statues of those we paint with a broad brush and muzzle those who challenge our ways of thinking. People like Cofty respond with puerile retorts of name calling, form never substance. You do a diservice to honest dialog by encouraging a policy that permits personal attacks but stifles intellectual responses.
Perhaps your terms of service should reflect this new policy.
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Finland Knife attack: 2 dead, one of them a Jehovah's Witness
by ILoveTTATT2 intwo people dead and 7 injured in what is apparently a terrorist attack in finland.
one of the deceased was a jehovah´s witness woman who was preaching in the square.. where was jehovah protecting her?
especially considering she was preaching?https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/finnish-police-stabbing-investigated-as-possible-terrorism/2017/08/19/187a034e-84b8-11e7-9e7a-20fa8d7a0db6_story.html?utm_term=.f596f9250d70.
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Any chance the woman passing out religious material in any way spurred this?
What Finland needs is a gun culture like the U.S. Recently there was a shooting here of two people, one the gunman himself. He was apparently getting started when a college student with a concealed weapons permit drew his own gun. When the gunman saw the other guy was armed, he turned the gun on himself...a fact that the media didn't include.
As for the JW woman, you can't really use the fact that Jehovah didn't protect her. All but two of the original apostles were put to death.
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What Is the JW Belief Regarding the Millennium?
by Cold Steel inmost christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace.
jws, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on paradise earth.
but do they believe in the millennium the way other christians do -- where the lion will lay down with the lamb [bzzzt...mandela effect correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?
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Everyone believes bullshit, Cofty. Some believe a little more or a little less than everyone else. Your most prized textbooks now won't be worth spit a decade from now. History books remain in vogue longer, but science books go out of date faster than most. Scientific journals are actually the best investment.
The Book of Mormon has weathered time and science better than you have any idea. But you don't know enough to debate the issue because you've never taken the time to research it. Going to an anti-Mormon site to learn about Mormonism is like going to a young-Earth evangelical sites to learn about Darwinian evolution.
In truth, you despise all religion because you were suckered by the JWs. But you refuse to use the scientific method on anything not shaped like a monkey jaw.
Unlike the JWs, we've got anthropologists, Egyptologists, world renowned professors of ancient scripture, historians, archaeologists and geologists -- all investigating the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham, as well as works like the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Nag Hammadi and other apocryphal works. We've maintained a comprehensive list of the "problems" of our books and, as we learn more about Mesoamera and ancient Egypt, the more those problems turn into evidences. If they were the concoctions of Joseph Smith's fervent imagination, one would expect just the opposite -- that the problems would increase. But there are things we know now that no one in Joseph Smith's day could have known. And in all the ex-Mormon sites I've run across, I've seen no responses to them.
But as to the Millennium and the JWs, wrong again. I began by going to the JW.org website and searching for the Millennium, but nothing popped up. There's no segue from that topic to Mormonism. Your intent in this discussion is only to use a legitimate interrogatory to take a cheap shot at Mormonism. Which really only means you're a bit of a jerk.
But many of us know that already.
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Making Every Thought Captive To Christ(Washing the Brain Of Good Reasoning)
by Brokeback Watchtower innot a very good idea to say the least.
when i read paul's words the more i see how delusional the guy was.
he was a genuine religious fanatic who contradicts jesus words on the sermon on the mount.. 2 corinthians 10:5 5we demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of god, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to christ.. delusional and in need of some serious psychological help.
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Of course. But explaining the mystical experiences with all the Hebrew prophets is one of the more fascinating aspects of the religion. Together, they're quite different from the experience of Muhammad in the cave, in which the angel immediately resorted to strangling the prophet when he failed to respond, or Joan of Arc, who just heard voices.
Paul's vision on the road to Damascus wasn't a solitary experience. It had various actors like Ananias and those who traveled with him. He was led to Ananias and Ananias was also directed by revelation to Paul. Then Paul had further revelatory experiences that led to his calling as an apostle. These are quite different than, say, literary encounters between Athena and Odysseus or Hermes and Priam which tended to be more self-serving in their outcome.
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What Is the JW Belief Regarding the Millennium?
by Cold Steel inmost christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace.
jws, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on paradise earth.
but do they believe in the millennium the way other christians do -- where the lion will lay down with the lamb [bzzzt...mandela effect correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?
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How about technology? Do they believe humans will continue to progress technologically? True, the vast majority of those who could design cars, homes, refrigeration units, aircraft and even extra-terrestrial communications and craft would be killed in the Big-A, over a thousand years or so they could develop schools of higher learning and figure out all that NASA stuff left in all those empty buildings.
Since some JWs are planning to move into the homes of the "toasties" (those who will be killed by Jehovah), it doesn't sound like they're going to live under trees or in caves. So when the fireworks are over, will mankind progress or will vegetation overrun the cities? In all the pictures, everyone's wearing clothing and playing musical instruments and gathering figs and other organically grown foods.
If I were going to live in a perfect environment, in bliss, I always figured there would be a way for me to have a food replicator that would, at my command, generate an old Hot Shoppes (circa 1968) menu, including a Mighty Mo, chicken noodle soup and French-fried onion rings. But that would take technology. I also never see people using computers in those WT pictures.
The question is whether JWs see life on Paradise Earth as a rejection of all technology or as an opportunity to achieve all those things they were denied leading up to life everlasting. Oh, and that reminds me. Do they conceive of anyone else being out there in the trillions of stars -- perhaps other creations of Jehovah -- or are they pretty much the sum of humanity?
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What Is the JW Belief Regarding the Millennium?
by Cold Steel inmost christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace.
jws, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on paradise earth.
but do they believe in the millennium the way other christians do -- where the lion will lay down with the lamb [bzzzt...mandela effect correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?
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Most Christian religions believe it will be a thousand-year period of peace. JWs, however, seem to believe in the resurrection and then life on Paradise Earth. But do they believe in the Millennium the way other Christians do -- where the
lion will lay down with the lamb[bzzzt...Mandela Effect Correction] wolf will lay down with the lamb?If so, how will life in the Millennium be any different than life after the Millennium?